Talk:Nicholas Owen (Jesuit)

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The only one[edit]

Given that the other Nicholas Owen who currently owns the name link is a truly horrible substub (actually speedy deletable as spam, IMO, as it is a predicate nominative and an external link, even if it's not commercial in nature), I'd recommend that Nicholas Owen be turned into a redirect to this article and that there be a single line at the top or bottom saying, "For the contemporary newscaster, see" and then wherever we can move that horrible substub. (I really really think, in my heart, that we should 1: delete Nicholas Owen, 2: create it as a redirect, and then have done, as I see no edits on the current article nor any content there.) Geogre 14:50, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've no problem with that. I have no idea how famous the other Nicholas Owen is. I have no strong opinion on whether or not it should be deleted. I had never heard of him. Going to start on Ann(e) Line next, when I can decide how to spell her name. (There are different versions.) AnnH ^(talk) 15:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have just made Nicholas Owen into a redirect to this article, and added a hatnote to the journalist. After that, I noticed this discussion, and am letting you know so you can sleep better. Chris the speller 05:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It took me a while, but I've changed that situation. I do not think that the news reader has priority over the martyr, except in a single nation and at present. Instead, I've made the general name a dab and made all others reflect that. Geogre 15:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed image[edit]

I removed the misleading image of the rack that was posted in this article with the caption "Nicholas Owen died on the rack," because it depicted a very different type of rack from the Topcliffe Rack which Owen actually died on. The Topcliffe Rack is accurately described in the text of the article, and in the illustration at the top of the page. Thuban (talk) 21:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found what I think is a clearer image. This shows Nicholas in the manacles, whereas the previous image shoed both Edward Oldcorne and Nicholas. 31 July 2014

Not clear[edit]

It is not clear that he gave himself up voluntarily. This is not mentioned in one source. It is hard to believe, anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.242.93 (talk) 11:32, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the author of Owen's biography and have made some fairly large changes throughout. On this particular point, opinions differ. The man that caught him and his companion (Sir Henry Bromley) says it was hunger and cold. (It was January 1606) I doubt this because it was a virtual certainty that they would be caught, tortured and killed (as they were) and this would have induced them to hold out. The author of a contemporary document "The Narrative of the Gunpowder Plot" says it was self-sacrifice, as it may have been. The alternative I rather favour is thirst after 4 days hiding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arcencielltd (talk • contribs) 14:27, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Reference 4 to "The Jesuit Curia in Rome" is a dead link. Can someone find its current location or delete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.80.203 (talk) 16:24, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]